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	<title>Comments on: Enterprise 2.0: Corporate Wikis reviewed: Confluence, JotSpot, WetPaint, Socialtext</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 22:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your desired characteristics with the criteria &quot;is beautiful&quot;, which immediately brought to mind American Idol.  In music, the geeks are the ones with perfect pitch, who can count time, and know what key you&#039;re in.  I then recalled that Mozart never made any money until his vaudeville period, and what could be more vaudeville than absorbing Microsoft Word&#039;s messy HTML without barfing.  Bobby McFerrin was a good musician for a long time before he pandered to the masses with &quot;Don&#039;t worry, be happy&quot;.  One hopes Confluence remembers its geek roots long enough that &quot;enterprise&quot; doesn&#039;t end up serving as a synonym for skin-deep.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your desired characteristics with the criteria &#8220;is beautiful&#8221;, which immediately brought to mind American Idol.  In music, the geeks are the ones with perfect pitch, who can count time, and know what key you&#8217;re in.  I then recalled that Mozart never made any money until his vaudeville period, and what could be more vaudeville than absorbing Microsoft Word&#8217;s messy HTML without barfing.  Bobby McFerrin was a good musician for a long time before he pandered to the masses with &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, be happy&#8221;.  One hopes Confluence remembers its geek roots long enough that &#8220;enterprise&#8221; doesn&#8217;t end up serving as a synonym for skin-deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there. Well, it definitely needs a good technical person who can manage the application. If you have Active Directory, then your tech person needs a bit more knowledge again.

You need a &quot;Wiki champion&quot;, not a &quot;wiki bully&quot; to lead the efforts by finding and using those specific instances where a wiki really is the best way to achieve a goal, and who leads people there by making their lives easier, not by berating them to use yet another tool they don&#039;t want.

You need somebody who can do the gardening of the wiki, who can manage the chaos a little bit as the pages start to accumulate.

And somebody to check back with users to find out what&#039;s working and what isn&#039;t.

These might all be the same person but more likely it&#039;s a small team: a technical person and a more user-focused person could probably wear all the hats.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there. Well, it definitely needs a good technical person who can manage the application. If you have Active Directory, then your tech person needs a bit more knowledge again.</p>
<p>You need a &#8220;Wiki champion&#8221;, not a &#8220;wiki bully&#8221; to lead the efforts by finding and using those specific instances where a wiki really is the best way to achieve a goal, and who leads people there by making their lives easier, not by berating them to use yet another tool they don&#8217;t want.</p>
<p>You need somebody who can do the gardening of the wiki, who can manage the chaos a little bit as the pages start to accumulate.</p>
<p>And somebody to check back with users to find out what&#8217;s working and what isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>These might all be the same person but more likely it&#8217;s a small team: a technical person and a more user-focused person could probably wear all the hats.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great post. We are seriously considering Confluence as an enterprise wiki for our software firm.

Based on your experience with it, what kind (qty, quality) of human resources would you say this tool requires? The installed version, not the hosted.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great post. We are seriously considering Confluence as an enterprise wiki for our software firm.</p>
<p>Based on your experience with it, what kind (qty, quality) of human resources would you say this tool requires? The installed version, not the hosted.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey, thanks for the comment. Much appreciated that you stopped by. As you know, I&#039;m a fan of your team and what you&#039;re doing there. Here are some follow-on thoughts.

I&#039;m really excited for you guys that you have been able to get Massive out the door. You&#039;re way up there at the high end of the market when you&#039;re talking about those kinds of audience sizes. I have no doubt that your app will be solid there.

The Australia thing is probably no longer relevant. For many years, Australians were known for having little presence on the net because the pipe to Australia for the net in the early days was seriously under the necessary capacity. I&#039;m sure that has all been fixed with the massive telco / optical build out of the 1995-2000s though so I was probably out of touch to make that comment.

I&#039;m aware that your sales eclipse that of the other wiki vendors - and that rocks. Your focus on revenue and profitability is admirable and is a lesson many others in this current gold rush would do well to emulate. This is why I think you&#039;ll be around for a while. &quot;Good on ya&quot; as they say in Oz.

I would also like to applaud the plug-in architecture that you&#039;ve built - that was one of the selling points for our team when they looked at your software for sure. Having said that, many of the plug-ins really end up solving stuff that should be done by the app. Not being able to copy/paste Microsoft&#039;s crappy HTML directly into some sort of parsing field at this stage of the game seems WAAAY overdue. The XMetal guys built some kick-ass tools for that over the past few years. Let me know if you want an intro. But then their XHTML editor would take another $1M to rebuild from scratch - it was fifteen years of development but could be rebuilt now in about 6 months. Text editors as you will learn are a sore point with me.

Regarding the move to hosting, you and I discussed this once before but I think my thinking has evolved in a different direction than it had at the time we last spoke. At that time, I was concerned that you were missing the bottom of the market and would lose them permanently as they jumped on the disruptive, cheaper, hosted platforms below you. A standard innovator&#039;s dilemma - you have overshot the low-end who just want a quick, light-weight wiki with low barriers to entry.

And that&#039;s still true. But the biggest gain I think from having software hosted vs. not is the ability to go from 6 month release cycles to &quot;Flickr time&quot; cycles of 15 minutes. The number of potential mutations of your software can be thousands of times more. The other critical piece of that is that on premise software generally isn&#039;t instrumented to track attention data. Hosted software can be designed to both mutate quickly but equally important to track every single thing a person or group does in real time. That is the other half of the evolution cycle. Test, learn, adapt, test, learn adapt. With hosted software and an extreme focus on test, learn, adapt, a vendor can mutate their software from &quot;it&#039;s okay&quot; to &quot;this rocks and they keep coming up with stuff exactly when I want it!!!&quot;  I think that a lot of vendors will move from on-premise to hosted and will not pay attention to the attention data - they will consider it a business model and delivery change and will miss entirely that it is an enabler for radically fast product innovation. I&#039;d be keen to hear your thoughts on that.

Anyway, as noted before, I wish you and your team the best for 2007. I expect it will be a heck of an interesting year ahead for you!

Troy



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey, thanks for the comment. Much appreciated that you stopped by. As you know, I&#8217;m a fan of your team and what you&#8217;re doing there. Here are some follow-on thoughts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really excited for you guys that you have been able to get Massive out the door. You&#8217;re way up there at the high end of the market when you&#8217;re talking about those kinds of audience sizes. I have no doubt that your app will be solid there.</p>
<p>The Australia thing is probably no longer relevant. For many years, Australians were known for having little presence on the net because the pipe to Australia for the net in the early days was seriously under the necessary capacity. I&#8217;m sure that has all been fixed with the massive telco / optical build out of the 1995-2000s though so I was probably out of touch to make that comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware that your sales eclipse that of the other wiki vendors &#8211; and that rocks. Your focus on revenue and profitability is admirable and is a lesson many others in this current gold rush would do well to emulate. This is why I think you&#8217;ll be around for a while. &#8220;Good on ya&#8221; as they say in Oz.</p>
<p>I would also like to applaud the plug-in architecture that you&#8217;ve built &#8211; that was one of the selling points for our team when they looked at your software for sure. Having said that, many of the plug-ins really end up solving stuff that should be done by the app. Not being able to copy/paste Microsoft&#8217;s crappy HTML directly into some sort of parsing field at this stage of the game seems WAAAY overdue. The XMetal guys built some kick-ass tools for that over the past few years. Let me know if you want an intro. But then their XHTML editor would take another $1M to rebuild from scratch &#8211; it was fifteen years of development but could be rebuilt now in about 6 months. Text editors as you will learn are a sore point with me.</p>
<p>Regarding the move to hosting, you and I discussed this once before but I think my thinking has evolved in a different direction than it had at the time we last spoke. At that time, I was concerned that you were missing the bottom of the market and would lose them permanently as they jumped on the disruptive, cheaper, hosted platforms below you. A standard innovator&#8217;s dilemma &#8211; you have overshot the low-end who just want a quick, light-weight wiki with low barriers to entry.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s still true. But the biggest gain I think from having software hosted vs. not is the ability to go from 6 month release cycles to &#8220;Flickr time&#8221; cycles of 15 minutes. The number of potential mutations of your software can be thousands of times more. The other critical piece of that is that on premise software generally isn&#8217;t instrumented to track attention data. Hosted software can be designed to both mutate quickly but equally important to track every single thing a person or group does in real time. That is the other half of the evolution cycle. Test, learn, adapt, test, learn adapt. With hosted software and an extreme focus on test, learn, adapt, a vendor can mutate their software from &#8220;it&#8217;s okay&#8221; to &#8220;this rocks and they keep coming up with stuff exactly when I want it!!!&#8221;  I think that a lot of vendors will move from on-premise to hosted and will not pay attention to the attention data &#8211; they will consider it a business model and delivery change and will miss entirely that it is an enabler for radically fast product innovation. I&#8217;d be keen to hear your thoughts on that.</p>
<p>Anyway, as noted before, I wish you and your team the best for 2007. I expect it will be a heck of an interesting year ahead for you!</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your analysis of our wiki Confluence, your take on our being a bit late on hosted, and especially the priority you give to UI and the need to look &quot;beautiful&quot;.  The last area -- UI and usability -- is one we need to give higher priority now that our enterperise features -- security, search, etc. -- get strong reviews from customers.

Our big enterprise effort was the release of Confluence Massive this month which delivers clustering for infinite scalability. We did this because we were getting a lot of pressure from companies to roll out to huge user populations: IBM has 50K users on one Confluence intranet, and SAP&#039;s Developer Network which uses Confluence has a 500K user data base.  Also a number of universities including MIT intend to roll Confluence out to the entire student population.

Now that Massive is out, expect to see us concentrate on shorter release cycles again.  UI matters, and I appreciate your critique.

Your take on Australians and hosting is intriguing. [I&#039;m an American so not being defensive here]. The reason we concentrated on installed software, up until now, is most buyers of wikis have been IT people, and most companies have preferred this option, if you compare -- I will humbly point out -- our sales vs. other commercial wikis.  Atlassian also built an open architecture and a plugin library that lets customers build on top of the wiki, which installed software fits.

None of this changes the need for us to offer hosting now.  The wiki market is very much a business and an IT market now.  Thanks for the analysis. -- Jeffrey

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your analysis of our wiki Confluence, your take on our being a bit late on hosted, and especially the priority you give to UI and the need to look &#8220;beautiful&#8221;.  The last area &#8212; UI and usability &#8212; is one we need to give higher priority now that our enterperise features &#8212; security, search, etc. &#8212; get strong reviews from customers.</p>
<p>Our big enterprise effort was the release of Confluence Massive this month which delivers clustering for infinite scalability. We did this because we were getting a lot of pressure from companies to roll out to huge user populations: IBM has 50K users on one Confluence intranet, and SAP&#8217;s Developer Network which uses Confluence has a 500K user data base.  Also a number of universities including MIT intend to roll Confluence out to the entire student population.</p>
<p>Now that Massive is out, expect to see us concentrate on shorter release cycles again.  UI matters, and I appreciate your critique.</p>
<p>Your take on Australians and hosting is intriguing. [I'm an American so not being defensive here]. The reason we concentrated on installed software, up until now, is most buyers of wikis have been IT people, and most companies have preferred this option, if you compare &#8212; I will humbly point out &#8212; our sales vs. other commercial wikis.  Atlassian also built an open architecture and a plugin library that lets customers build on top of the wiki, which installed software fits.</p>
<p>None of this changes the need for us to offer hosting now.  The wiki market is very much a business and an IT market now.  Thanks for the analysis. &#8212; Jeffrey</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039; currently trying to start a blog on the subject of corporate wikis (&lt;a href=&quot;http://wikibc.blogspot.com&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WikiBC&lt;/a&gt;) and hence conducted some research on the topic. I think that 2 things are to be considered about your post :

First, hosted wiki solutions can evolve easily (I am a SocialText user, they just started their interface 2.0, far better than the first, and it only improved my situation : the only drawback is that I couldn&#039;t accessed it for 4 hours) and should be evaluated on the basis of expected potential mutations rather than their present state only. Whatever the wiki you choose you will find features you either do not like or you miss. The best wiki company will be the one that address its consumer needs the soonest and this does not necessarily mean the most advanced one today.

Second, a successful wiki is not about features, it is about employees adoption and usage. Even with a basic structure, if you can convince people to use it by showing them what they can get out of it, it will work. The wiki offers a potentiality of knowledge sharing and structuration, of improved communication. Getting people to use it has far more to do with a good formation and motivation process than with the product itself (as long as it works).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://wikibc.blogspot.com&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Guillaume&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217; currently trying to start a blog on the subject of corporate wikis (<a href="http://wikibc.blogspot.com"  rel="nofollow">WikiBC</a>) and hence conducted some research on the topic. I think that 2 things are to be considered about your post :</p>
<p>First, hosted wiki solutions can evolve easily (I am a SocialText user, they just started their interface 2.0, far better than the first, and it only improved my situation : the only drawback is that I couldn&#8217;t accessed it for 4 hours) and should be evaluated on the basis of expected potential mutations rather than their present state only. Whatever the wiki you choose you will find features you either do not like or you miss. The best wiki company will be the one that address its consumer needs the soonest and this does not necessarily mean the most advanced one today.</p>
<p>Second, a successful wiki is not about features, it is about employees adoption and usage. Even with a basic structure, if you can convince people to use it by showing them what they can get out of it, it will work. The wiki offers a potentiality of knowledge sharing and structuration, of improved communication. Getting people to use it has far more to do with a good formation and motivation process than with the product itself (as long as it works).</p>
<p><a href="http://wikibc.blogspot.com"  rel="nofollow">Guillaume</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regd. eTouch. I&#039;ve gone through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.etouch.net&quot;   rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their site&lt;/a&gt;.. looks good.. Any first hand reviews?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regd. eTouch. I&#8217;ve gone through <a href="http://www.etouch.net"   rel="nofollow">their site</a>.. looks good.. Any first hand reviews?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good information and useful, well done.

George Kordonis,

Seattle, Wa

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good information and useful, well done.</p>
<p>George Kordonis,</p>
<p>Seattle, Wa</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Check out Wikidot (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wikidot.com&quot;    rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wikidot.com&lt;/a&gt;) for free wikis with professianal features ;-) It does not have WYSIWYG but rather &quot;aided&quot; editing and so far is &lt;b&gt;the only of the wikis to produce valid XHTML&lt;/b&gt; (check it with &lt;a href=&quot;http://validator.w3.org&quot;   rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://validator.w3.org&lt;/a&gt;)

Cheers - michal

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Check out Wikidot (<a href="http://www.wikidot.com"    rel="nofollow">http://www.wikidot.com</a>) for free wikis with professianal features <img src='http://www.troyangrignon.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  It does not have WYSIWYG but rather &#8220;aided&#8221; editing and so far is <b>the only of the wikis to produce valid XHTML</b> (check it with <a href="http://validator.w3.org"   rel="nofollow">http://validator.w3.org</a>)</p>
<p>Cheers &#8211; michal</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check eTouch SamePage (http://www.etouch.net), it should come close to your expectations.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check eTouch SamePage (<a href="http://www.etouch.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.etouch.net</a>), it should come close to your expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Troy, nice to see your reviews. I reviewed Jotspot, Socialtext and Wetpaint on my site and I also looked at knowledge management in large corporations. &lt;a href=&quot;http://lunaticthought.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See http://lunaticthought.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt; and in Dutch a full article at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frankwatching.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.frankwatching.com&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m now also looking at Central Desktop and Confluence. Both of them seem to have interesting features as well. I must say I do find Confluence&#039;s sandbox confusing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Troy, nice to see your reviews. I reviewed Jotspot, Socialtext and Wetpaint on my site and I also looked at knowledge management in large corporations. <a href="http://lunaticthought.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">See </a><a href="http://lunaticthought.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://lunaticthought.blogspot.com</a> and in Dutch a full article at <a href="http://www.frankwatching.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.frankwatching.com</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m now also looking at Central Desktop and Confluence. Both of them seem to have interesting features as well. I must say I do find Confluence&#8217;s sandbox confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &quot;wiki without the wiki&quot; to consider for business and enterprise use is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.centraldesktop.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.centraldesktop.com&lt;/a&gt;  We&#039;ve adopted it in our small business (we are a small advertising firm) after trying several the wikis you review in your post (except for Confluence...it appeared like it was &quot;too much&quot; for our small business.

I agree with Zoli....WetPaint has no business in this list.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another &#8220;wiki without the wiki&#8221; to consider for business and enterprise use is <a href="http://www.centraldesktop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.centraldesktop.com</a>  We&#8217;ve adopted it in our small business (we are a small advertising firm) after trying several the wikis you review in your post (except for Confluence&#8230;it appeared like it was &#8220;too much&#8221; for our small business.</p>
<p>I agree with Zoli&#8230;.WetPaint has no business in this list.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &quot;wiki without the wiki&quot; to consider for business and enterprise use is http://www.centraldesktop.com  We&#039;ve adopted it in our small business (we are a small advertising firm) after trying several the wikis you review in your post (except for Confluence...it appeared like it was &quot;too much&quot; for our small business.

I agree with Zoli....WetPaint has no business in this list.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another &#8220;wiki without the wiki&#8221; to consider for business and enterprise use is <a href="http://www.centraldesktop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.centraldesktop.com</a>  We&#8217;ve adopted it in our small business (we are a small advertising firm) after trying several the wikis you review in your post (except for Confluence&#8230;it appeared like it was &#8220;too much&#8221; for our small business.</p>
<p>I agree with Zoli&#8230;.WetPaint has no business in this list.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troy,  I like every word of your update re. Confluence.  In fact I just met some of the Atlassian folks in their SF office, heard their point of view about enterprise customer&#039;s preference for a solution behind their firewall - that is eventually, WHEN they become enterprise customers - and I told them the same.

What&#039;s great about the &quot;Web 2.0 model&quot; is that you can forget the wasteful enterprise sales model - the technology sort of sells itself, by small user groups starting to use it, without IT &quot;blessing&quot;.. then it spreads, becomes viral, eventually the CIO gives in and blesses it to the entire corporation :-)   This bottom u p adaption by non-technical business users is what&#039;s at stake by not offering hosted access.  That says, Confluence is doing very well, financially beating the other two together... so who knows how much more they could do by offering both on-demand and on-premise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy,  I like every word of your update re. Confluence.  In fact I just met some of the Atlassian folks in their SF office, heard their point of view about enterprise customer&#8217;s preference for a solution behind their firewall &#8211; that is eventually, WHEN they become enterprise customers &#8211; and I told them the same.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s great about the &#8220;Web 2.0 model&#8221; is that you can forget the wasteful enterprise sales model &#8211; the technology sort of sells itself, by small user groups starting to use it, without IT &#8220;blessing&#8221;.. then it spreads, becomes viral, eventually the CIO gives in and blesses it to the entire corporation <img src='http://www.troyangrignon.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    This bottom u p adaption by non-technical business users is what&#8217;s at stake by not offering hosted access.  That says, Confluence is doing very well, financially beating the other two together&#8230; so who knows how much more they could do by offering both on-demand and on-premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points. I probably should have replied to your review a little differently yesterday. As for the hosting model, we think it&#039;s a great model, and I (and many others here) agree with you on the barriers to entry (at least #s 1-3). In fact, we may decide sometime in the future to offer a hosted service ourselves. It&#039;s something we&#039;ve discussed, not only amongst ourselves but also with customers, bloggers, and other wiki afficianados. The people who have adopted Confluence so far have been very pleased, but as you point out, it requires resources and a degree of technical proficiency that not everyone possesses. If IT services go the way that &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.zdnet.com/web2explorer/?p=231&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marc Benioff&lt;/a&gt; predicts, we&#039;d find ourselves out in the cold. Even the good folks in Australia are aware of the conversation, and actually, for the record, I&#039;m in San Francisco... far from the Outback ;). As for being trounced by the competition, time will tell. We very much respect and like the people we&#039;ve met at both SocialText and Jotspot, we admire their evangelism of wikis, and they seem to be doing very well. If you&#039;re ever in the area of San Francisco or Sydney, please stop by and say hi. I think you&#039;ll find we&#039;re not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; out of it. :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points. I probably should have replied to your review a little differently yesterday. As for the hosting model, we think it&#8217;s a great model, and I (and many others here) agree with you on the barriers to entry (at least #s 1-3). In fact, we may decide sometime in the future to offer a hosted service ourselves. It&#8217;s something we&#8217;ve discussed, not only amongst ourselves but also with customers, bloggers, and other wiki afficianados. The people who have adopted Confluence so far have been very pleased, but as you point out, it requires resources and a degree of technical proficiency that not everyone possesses. If IT services go the way that <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/web2explorer/?p=231" rel="nofollow">Marc Benioff</a> predicts, we&#8217;d find ourselves out in the cold. Even the good folks in Australia are aware of the conversation, and actually, for the record, I&#8217;m in San Francisco&#8230; far from the Outback <img src='http://www.troyangrignon.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> . As for being trounced by the competition, time will tell. We very much respect and like the people we&#8217;ve met at both SocialText and Jotspot, we admire their evangelism of wikis, and they seem to be doing very well. If you&#8217;re ever in the area of San Francisco or Sydney, please stop by and say hi. I think you&#8217;ll find we&#8217;re not <i>that</i> out of it. <img src='http://www.troyangrignon.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weitpaing is clearly not for the corporate market. It&#039;s the single easiest-to-use wiki, in fact a &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoliblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/6/22/2048999.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wiki without the wiki&lt;/a&gt;&quot; - just easy editable pages that anyone can use  in a minute.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weitpaing is clearly not for the corporate market. It&#8217;s the single easiest-to-use wiki, in fact a &#8220;<a href="http://www.zoliblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/6/22/2048999.html" rel="nofollow">wiki without the wiki</a>&#8221; &#8211; just easy editable pages that anyone can use  in a minute.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I said, &quot;best of the worst&quot; is that none of the apps do it all. All of them have brutal text editors (all web 2.0 apps have brutal text editors). I would put Confluence at about 7/10 for enterprise use. The rest are far lower on the scale.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I said, &#8220;best of the worst&#8221; is that none of the apps do it all. All of them have brutal text editors (all web 2.0 apps have brutal text editors). I would put Confluence at about 7/10 for enterprise use. The rest are far lower on the scale.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take.  Some notes on Confluence - Adaptivist.com offers Confluence hosting and why does your top choice get &quot;best of the worst&quot;?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take.  Some notes on Confluence &#8211; Adaptivist.com offers Confluence hosting and why does your top choice get &#8220;best of the worst&#8221;?</p>
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