Comments on: From the sublime to the ridiculous – our communication ecosystem is more complex than it needs to be http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/ Business • Technology • Society • Environment Sun, 16 May 2010 21:41:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: daniel http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-719 daniel Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:57:37 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-719 Here here!! Here here!!

]]> By: Boris Mann http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-583 Boris Mann Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:05:06 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-583 Google Wave, under all the magic, is actually based around XMPP. I've been predicting the second coming of XMPP as a protocol to rival HTTP since before it was called that (or, about 3 years). I have some ideas about the identity piece, and I actually think (yes, crazy, I know) that SXIP was partially headed in the right direction. Troy is totally spot on about data flows, although it is logins (i.e identity + permissions) plus data flows that is important. "In the future", one might imagine a composer like Yahoo Pipes where you can "pipe" data workflows between different apps. An email is an email is an email, whether in the billing system, the PM system, or the support system. None of these are islands, they're already leaking into each other. We just (for now) have this terrible tool of "synch" rather than connected flows. Google Wave, under all the magic, is actually based around XMPP. I’ve been predicting the second coming of XMPP as a protocol to rival HTTP since before it was called that (or, about 3 years).

I have some ideas about the identity piece, and I actually think (yes, crazy, I know) that SXIP was partially headed in the right direction.

Troy is totally spot on about data flows, although it is logins (i.e identity + permissions) plus data flows that is important. “In the future”, one might imagine a composer like Yahoo Pipes where you can “pipe” data workflows between different apps. An email is an email is an email, whether in the billing system, the PM system, or the support system.

None of these are islands, they’re already leaking into each other. We just (for now) have this terrible tool of “synch” rather than connected flows.

]]> By: Troy http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-577 Troy Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:21:26 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-577 What day job? You and I both know that you're texting this response over to my blog from your phone while out on a 160k training ride somewhere in the Okanagan valley and this is your alibi to prove to your SAP overlords that you're really doing work. Sheesh, I was born on a Friday, but not LAST Friday. What day job? You and I both know that you’re texting this response over to my blog from your phone while out on a 160k training ride somewhere in the Okanagan valley and this is your alibi to prove to your SAP overlords that you’re really doing work. Sheesh, I was born on a Friday, but not LAST Friday.

]]> By: JT http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-576 JT Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:16:08 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-576 And then add in the countless internal systems (outlook, CRM, SCM, ERP, etc) we have to use in my day job and the problem gets even harder as you add in firewalls, authentication, etc. I was thinking about all this watching the Google Wave demo. All seems great if everyone else uses Wave for collaboration, and/or the the APIs are rich enough to extract contacts and context from whatever you are using. If not, it's just another island on your chart. And then add in the countless internal systems (outlook, CRM, SCM, ERP, etc) we have to use in my day job and the problem gets even harder as you add in firewalls, authentication, etc.

I was thinking about all this watching the Google Wave demo. All seems great if everyone else uses Wave for collaboration, and/or the the APIs are rich enough to extract contacts and context from whatever you are using. If not, it’s just another island on your chart.

]]> By: Troy http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-575 Troy Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:25:05 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-575 Sxip is gone and Dick has moved over to help Microsoft build their identity systems. I think you're partially right. There hasn't been a lot of progress except that I can now log into Zoho with my Google email address or into Youtube with my google email address or log into a service with my Open ID (which I don't have or use - I just use Google if I can). But once you get past the login, you realize that's just the gate. Then you still have the data flows and that's the key to the mess in my diagrams. The open calendaring standards groups made some headway on making calendar stuff interchangeable but at the end of the day Google rescued me again by letting me use a GREAT web calendar and then they built the sync connector back to my desktop and over to the iphone and both work much better than the third-party tools I tried before. The contact synchronization from the desktop to Google to LinkedIn to Facebook to Twitter is still a total mess. As I'm digging into the enterprise applications of cloud applications, I'm really starting to get religion around the idea that it's the platform, and the data flows that count the most. In other words, I'd rather have two systems with different logins that shared data between them seamlessly than have two systems with common sign-on that don't share information. So heck, give me 25 apps (I think I'm USING 25 for my communications) and just make sure that they communicate with each other. There are definitely market holes. The question is: are they market opportunities that can be monetized? Sxip is gone and Dick has moved over to help Microsoft build their identity systems. I think you’re partially right. There hasn’t been a lot of progress except that I can now log into Zoho with my Google email address or into Youtube with my google email address or log into a service with my Open ID (which I don’t have or use – I just use Google if I can). But once you get past the login, you realize that’s just the gate. Then you still have the data flows and that’s the key to the mess in my diagrams. The open calendaring standards groups made some headway on making calendar stuff interchangeable but at the end of the day Google rescued me again by letting me use a GREAT web calendar and then they built the sync connector back to my desktop and over to the iphone and both work much better than the third-party tools I tried before. The contact synchronization from the desktop to Google to LinkedIn to Facebook to Twitter is still a total mess.

As I’m digging into the enterprise applications of cloud applications, I’m really starting to get religion around the idea that it’s the platform, and the data flows that count the most. In other words, I’d rather have two systems with different logins that shared data between them seamlessly than have two systems with common sign-on that don’t share information. So heck, give me 25 apps (I think I’m USING 25 for my communications) and just make sure that they communicate with each other.

There are definitely market holes. The question is: are they market opportunities that can be monetized?

]]> By: JT http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-574 JT Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:01:20 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-574 Hey troy, what ever happened to identity management and guys like SXIP? Seems like the only way to manage all of this is if each person controls their identity and information, not by the companies you mention. Seems like there has been zero progress in the last few years. Hey troy, what ever happened to identity management and guys like SXIP? Seems like the only way to manage all of this is if each person controls their identity and information, not by the companies you mention. Seems like there has been zero progress in the last few years.

]]> By: Troy http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Troy Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:13:31 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-573 No, that's too far back in time to remember. [the joke here is that Boris Mann - king of all things bleeding edge - taught me about blogging a few years back. He had no idea what a monster he would create. Thanks Boris!] No, that’s too far back in time to remember. [the joke here is that Boris Mann - king of all things bleeding edge - taught me about blogging a few years back. He had no idea what a monster he would create. Thanks Boris!]

]]> By: Boris Mann http://www.troyangrignon.com/2009/06/02/from-the-sublime-to-the-ridiculous-our-communication-ecosystem-is-more-complex-than-it-needs-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-572 Boris Mann Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:10:46 +0000 http://www.troyangrignon.com/?p=751#comment-572 Hey, do you remember when you DIDN'T HAVE A BLOG?!?!? :P Hey, do you remember when you DIDN’T HAVE A BLOG?!?!? :P

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